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okay hello everyone my name is Michael
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berry I am the director of the Center
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for Chinese Studies at UCLA and a
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professor of Asian languages and
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cultures and it is my great pleasure to
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present our speaker today on our second
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series of CCS online this is our new
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series during coronavirus to present new
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and exciting ideas from a variety of
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different fields and Chinese studies and
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today we have a wonderful scholar and
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writer who is Shahji also known as Wang
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Yao professor Wang Yao teaches and she
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and University and currently Angelica
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University XI an Jiaotong University and
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she's currently also a visiting scholar
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at UC Riverside she previously had done
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a lot of her studies at Peking
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University in a variety of different
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fields I believe her undergraduate
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research was on Astro furyk sciences and
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later she studied film studies for her
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master's degree in comparative
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literature for her PhD but aside from
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her record as an academic Wang Yao is
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also regarded as one of the leading
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voices of the new wave of science
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fiction in China she's the author of
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numerous books I will hold a few of them
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up these are just a few of her
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collections of short stories and along
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with writers like pencil and notes is
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shin I think she's really regarded as
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women to cutting-edge figures in the new
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Chinese science fiction wave there is a
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forthcoming collection of her work in
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English I believe the title is a summer
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beyond your reach so you can look for
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that and she's also besides writing in
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Chinese she also has published short
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stories in English that she has written
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and we're just so delighted that you're
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here today to share some of your
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thoughts and reflections on Chinese
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science fiction and the title of sha
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jaws talked today sha job by the ways
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her pen name which he writes in her
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fiction and the title of her talk today
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is crossing the boundaries a
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conversation with invisible Chinese
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it's fiction so I will turn it over to
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Professor shot thank you thank you very
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much haha everyone very nice - even
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though I cannot see you I love you
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personally but three very happy to see
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you online and also many steps for
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professor Perry for making this happen
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so today I will just give you some of my
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own stories about Chinese science
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fiction firstly that's like a very
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conventional action I would just add
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something about myself introduction
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actually many people especially like
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English readers after me that true how
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can they call me should should should
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they call me like a shower oh yeah or
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like I said yeah or something like that
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so it's just as Professor Perry
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explained that shirt Wang Yao is my true
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name and the Shia is my pseudonym for
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Santa karate so it's very interesting is
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that as I began to use this pseudo name
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when I was in college at sometimes
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charge I still and in many years
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following its it's like a it's like a
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indicates like my second dark secret
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life it's a is like a secondary mission
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of my life
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and Wang Yao is the normal decent normal
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what yeah just like of ordinary people
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however since Chinese section became
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surprisingly popular here is the years
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then the hope to say that like the
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thirty I began to rise and recite
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Chinese science fiction and began to got
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more and more important and got more and
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more attention and another tricky thing
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is that one yo is also began oh you also
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began to involve in science fiction
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studies so in this case that's my this
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true identities of me began to interview
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each other also vary in size fiction
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you're very science fictional way so
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your will come to coming ow or professor
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Wang Oh sir or
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also come here summer sees like the
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Chinese character charming summer and by
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the way some people after me was a
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meaning of sad was a meaning of Jar Jar
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the Chinese captured Charming's which is
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like ancient musical instrument
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something like a flute
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however the Chinese capture of many
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Chinese people mistake the jaw as shear
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which means a clock so many Chinese many
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of my friends from Chinese sighs become
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community
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they call me chisel or see a girl or
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something like that so you can come at
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plant has a nickname if you want and
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also there's one book last year
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published which is like my first
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academic attraction Chinese kind of is
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sweet I'd also be also coordinates of
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future discussions on Chinese s diction
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in the age of globalization which is in
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Chinese so if you can read Chinese you
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can try to find out book and to read my
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size picture status and the picture in
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the slide the picture on the right is
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the cover of my first coming my first
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English sized picture stories collection
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a summer beyond your reach which
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actually is badly delayed or for many
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reasons but I think right now the Ebert
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in Israel so you can try to find it and
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today our intent to talk about a bit
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more a bit about like a Chinese science
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fiction it's a really really super super
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big topic so my pillar my place to give
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you a very very brief introduction on
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the history and also the recent is
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situation of Chinese fiction and then I
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will focus on more on my own experience
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on how I witnessed the magical
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development of Chinese science fiction
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in the past thirty years and how I
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became a science fiction fan and then
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became a seismic writer and then a
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science fiction researcher during this
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process and how
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sighs fiction changed me and became a
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way of life of me so that's the schedule
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of today so firstly let us start from
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this amazing chart the title is the
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history of citation it is created by an
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artist which his name is what Shelley so
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this picture this chart shows the entire
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history of science fiction from its
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earnest Jews a mythology and legends
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choose the latest TV shows and novels
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however however if you take a bit close
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look on this chart you have found that
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the science fiction from non-english
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speaking countries including this
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Chinese a fiction cannot be found in
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this chart I tried many times and I
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cannot find a hint of tiny section so in
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other words Chinese science fiction is
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invisible is unsane or in other words is
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exfoliator in the history of science
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fiction so I think three years ago in
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2017 this chart is was was printed out
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and it's heavy tail Turing's of force
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China international size fiction
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conference and many people many audience
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the marveled at this chart but there was
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one person his Italian people is my
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friend from Italian
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actually his name is Francis commercial
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it's a very good Santaquin writer and
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also editor he was greatly he's
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satisfied with this child he so he said
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to Arab people he met his exact you
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should not just a satisfy the with this
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chart you should create a new chart a
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chart of the history of Chinese fiction
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or the eastern science fiction yourself
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so that that is his suggestion so very
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good thing is that two years later we
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have this new chart we had this one so
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this one is pretty
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by a Chinese science fiction culture
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company its name is future of fierce
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administration real I show what lead you
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so as time is limited I would just
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briefly introduce the basic time law of
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the Chinese fiction in the past 100
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years which is generally divided into
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five periods so the first one is the
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latest in dynasty is interpreting from
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1902 to 1904 1905 a ssin of the republic
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of china to 1949 the foundation of the
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People's Republic of China the second
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one and then the third one the circuit
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is from 1949 to 1966 when the Cultural
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Revolution began and then the first one
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is from 1978 to 1990 during the
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so-called new era the Singh Shaanxi and
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then the fifth one is from 1992 today
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when Chinese science fiction quickly
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developed and finally became visible to
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the world so that's a basic timeline and
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then I would just pull up pull up a bit
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a bit like interesting stories happened
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during the fifth fifth period this
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period the experienced prison now is
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literally dated from actually 1991
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because that year of historical event
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happened so there was a journal which
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name is coach Giovanni scientific
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literature and art which is established
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in 1979 it is originally a more like a
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popular science journal couple surgery
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but in night in the late 1980s it began
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to cause very hard time and it was
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struggling to some wine so the editor of
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auditory or decided to change its
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approach of just irani this
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so they decided to change the mother's
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name into coal & shizzi a science
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fiction world and they decided to use
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science fiction as a tab for his market
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promotion and then this magazine paid
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great efforts true nurtures sizing
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writers the story size Detroiters and as
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well as fandom suspection fandom and got
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significant success in the late 1990s
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and it was at that time I began to read
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this magazine size award and became a
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big science fiction fan and then in 1989
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another very important historical event
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happened so there's a like a this exam
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its name is a national college entrance
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exam which influenced millions of
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students yesterday every year and in
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1980 no and in 1999 the the exact true
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chose rather sized fictional topic as a
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write-in pump so so if you can read
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Chinese you can see that in the
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instruction it said except that since
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that since the the achievements on human
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organ transportation some scientists
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argue that mammary transplantation would
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probably come true in in the future so
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the examinee are required to compose and
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nasi on the title of if the memory can
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be transplanted Giroux tea could eat you
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and this as it can be it can be a
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fictional story or an augmentation so
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this writing pump triggered wide social
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social concern that here because science
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fiction along with other popular ratings
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for example the romance stories yenching
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or mature martial art stories who share
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all of this are not encouraged in high
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school students in high school education
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in China for for very long time and the
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Sun laces his skins just came to change
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many parents realize that science
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fiction are not
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and not suspect rates just different
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from other popular rating it's
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discouraged by the garment so they began
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to pay more attention to encourages
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their kids to read more size fiction and
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so you can see on the left is an
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instruction of that writing pump and on
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the other side you can see that's what
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the science fiction world they what they
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did during the same period extra poor
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they found this can be a very good
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chance for their mark of their magazines
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promotion so just the two months later
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in the September the published several
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stories related to the the the very same
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sim like the mammary transplantation for
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example other long the cover can see the
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titles of shitty the te which means the
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stolen memory and the second is charity
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each if the memory can be transported so
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they make for use of this opportunity to
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to give their magazine a big pump true
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for for sale so in the following year in
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the 2000 year the magazine sales reached
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an unprecedented peak as 400,000 bottoms
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for that issue which is also I think is
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a like a historical record which never
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be kept up by other competitors
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so what happened that year in 1991
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happened to me a very important thing is
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that not here I was in green one of high
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school and our Chinese teacher gave us
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an assignment for the compensation
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course of writing an essay on if sub C
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can be transplanted which means you can
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replace memory as everything you can
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imagine
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so which gave me a chance to finish my
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very first science fiction story if
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dreams can be transplanted as you can
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see this is how it was shown on my
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composition notebook and this led mr.
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that that story is a kind of like a
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pastor of a Catholic he stopped here
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where human beings lived a very pathetic
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life in underground cities and I started
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dreaming anymore
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and one day is a protagonist she's a
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little girl
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a middle school little girl she kasam
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dream recording discs and viscous discs
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she began to trim those old dreams from
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The Forgotten Overground time which just
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over time so in the dreams she
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experienced some never experienced
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things for example that the ocean the
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beautiful sky the Sun sights the sunrise
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does grasp the ring all of these
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beautiful things and all of these dreams
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give her a big strong try to call for
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other people to struggle for return to
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the prom so that's a basic idea of the
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story so that story was about like a age
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thousand the Chinese characters which is
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quite quite quite long for a high school
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high school students I see so I had to
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past eight six extra pages to my
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composition notebook to ride on the
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horse story so this is this is my very
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first step and also a very big step of
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my sister crying and during those years
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in high school I had also rose
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of stories most of them are size diction
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and the one of the stories was inspired
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by Catron's tower of Babylon which is a
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masterpiece inter private missmiss
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logical and scientific visions in a very
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fascinating rate highly recommended
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recommended and some of you may have
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heard of Ted chaough the name of caption
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from of example arrival the 2016 science
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fiction film adapted from his work story
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of your life so when I finished the
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story my best friend my best girl friend
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her name is young she he read my story
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and then he wrote a piece of comment my
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in my notebook he or she said that if
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tower of Babylon is a kind of soft size
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fiction then your story can be regarded
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as poor science fiction chief anchor1 so
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because in China we have this kind of
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like a hard rise in fun and the soft
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rice run fun so hard science fiction is
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something even softer than the soft
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science fiction so that witches can be
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very hard to to separate it from other
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genres they just um just on the boundary
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between between science fiction and
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other terms for example Farah tears mace
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this kind of sees legends or fantasies
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so I think many some of the English
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sighs to be right a readers they get to
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know this term horror science fiction
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because of conversation between me and
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canoe his oz my good friend and one of
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the pesticides from writers and the
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translators and he translated most of
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the musicians work from Chinese into
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English and they did our conversation
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and which was published in 2015 in
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clucks war and I will come back to this
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term some horror science fiction later
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so three years later in 2001 I submitted
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I just submitted submitted several of my
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stories - sighs fiction water and it was
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my very first and the only time using
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the mailing system to submit stories so
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which is very impressive and a memorable
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and after I mailed my printed stories I
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waited and waited for maybe several
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weeks or maybe several months I can
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remember exactly and however exiting the
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end I received some rejection letters
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that's a very bad ending of the story
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but however however the actress still
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wrote me some very good words to
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encourage me so as a latch you can see
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that there's a comment from one editor
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the editor one he said the it's a very
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good story my story is a very good story
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so recommend to accept and please pay
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attention to nurture this talented young
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writer seeing you in future Jim a boy
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outside Tschida Georgia the talent is me
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however on the left you can see is a
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this is a letter from and the other
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additives added two new he explained why
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he decided to reject my story with a
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very actually reasonable reason however
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at the same time he also encouraged me
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to keep writing
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so here sorry here he said that he don't
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know Lee something that you see
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something you have you have some
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yeah you have some talent in writing
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these ashes all your food don't you
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wasted but don't spend too much time on
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writing and a delay your schoolwork so
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seriously is that she cheered me
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seriously
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and he was really serious to give me
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this subjection and I'm also very
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serious of accepting his suggestion so
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serious you learn in to sell in a forum
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and I was in college I published I
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finally finally publish my first a story
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quiet in a pencil that
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enslaving flat in size fiction story so
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suspect reward sorry so that story was
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inspired by a very scientific conception
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Maxwell's demon which is which is
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learned from the thermodynamics textbook
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I was learning at that time and as a
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story is actually very poor science
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fiction because you can see there's a
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real demon having conversation with a
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fitness business if it is to Maxwell in
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the story so that story was in original
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published online and I haven't have done
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that claim to submit the story however
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an editor from sastric reward rather
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story on why and he liked that so he
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decided to use a story to publish that
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and then I was also very lucky to be
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awarded the choosiness for galaxy award
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for the best new writer in curtain three
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Jocelyn John so the galaxy galaxies were
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awarded for the best stories published
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in science fiction war which is voted by
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these readers and it used to be the only
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in size exciting award in China in 1990s
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so here you can see on the right is the
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announcement page of the 2004 galaxy
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Wars so this is me with my son see a
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sense worse and another one here you can
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see in the left corner COCC he is also
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awarded for the packs for the best our
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stories action year and then my career
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as a size decorator just starting from
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that story and a sense then I wrote a
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series of cup of stories and I published
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many of the short and even novelist
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stories and then I want about like a
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seven galaxy award so far and in Tucson
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of twelve I published my first science
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fiction collection just as Professor
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berry shown
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the first one just also titled ask the
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team on enslaving blast and my first
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story translated into English the 100
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girls the pirate side was also published
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that here
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in Clarks Warren in Tucson and health
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which is translated by canoe as a
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mission he's a pastor when surpassed the
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writers and the translators and also
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that summer is in the summer of 2012 I
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traveled to the US for the very first
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time to attend work on the world science
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fiction convention and that was a very
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memorable journal and that time I it was
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my first time to match can do physically
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and also I witnessed him Callooh veining
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his first a Hugo Award and here's a
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picture of some of the Chinese and the
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Chinese American participants including
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for example canoe and ginger fan and
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housing van and sorry yes and yeah and
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there's also me and you can guess which
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one is me and another picture the one on
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the right is my favorite American
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seismic writer Ray Bradbury who passed
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away just two months ago just two months
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before I come the world calm so I
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participated a memorial panel for him
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and I shared how his works influenced me
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it's also very very good experience but
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one of the most precious moments during
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the world kong is that when i was on a
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panel on science fiction on chinese
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science fiction after all of the
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panelists introduced the chinese science
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fiction one audience he asked me and
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other participants of a very tough
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crashing what makes Chinese a speaking
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Chinese so that's a very big crashing
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and the very challenging one
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so that's question challenged me and
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also haunted me for a very long time and
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then that that question just became the
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primer of the primary problematic of my
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ph.d program so two years later in 2014
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I finished my PhD students dissertation
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entitled 2005 sentido continue Shiva
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fears and hopes in era of globalization
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Chinese science fiction and its cultural
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politics politics since 1991 to 2012
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so here's a picture of the freshly
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printed dissertations because even here
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you can you can tell from the picture
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that is very acrobatic one with about
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you like a 300,000 Chinese Chinese
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captures so but no English translation
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and another picture is me as a
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dissertation defense book it looks quite
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see and I can I cannot remember why why
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I'm so confused but if you feel
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interested in my science fiction studies
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in contemporary Chinese science fiction
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maybe you can read my shorter paper
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entitled national Algar in the era of
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globalization which is written in
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English about like ten thousand words
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and that paper just elaborates the main
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idea in my dissertation so maybe later I
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can just the just the center paper to
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Professor Barry I think you interested
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you can just get a paper and have a look
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and then after my graduation I got a
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teaching job at XI an Jiaotong
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University and that became a a teacher
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at the University and in 2014 my story
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which it is really really really a short
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one but but also my first story written
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in English entitled unless our talk was
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published in nature some may be the most
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amongst the most famous scientific
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journey
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cuz maybe many people doesn't know many
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people don't know that the Nature has a
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column special column for flash
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science-fiction entitled a futures so
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when I firstly heard of this news of an
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i firstly read some of the stories from
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the column I realized that maybe I can
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also try to write a shredder short story
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in English and the sub means that story
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true nature and then if I lucky enough
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maybe I can I could be the may be the
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first the Chinese people who publish a
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science fiction in nature which sounds
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really cool so I had a try and then I
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was very luckily to to succeed and the
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gossip story perish so maybe some of you
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have already read a story if you have
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not sorry first boring so the basic idea
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of the story is about like a talking
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with the guitar have a conversation with
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a I so the main character of the story
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is it's a female linguist and she was
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invited to strong a problem that some
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intelligent toys with appearances of
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very killed Co pups had created a new
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language which humans could not
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understand so the licorice suggested
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that instead of fearing from those
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pastels
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they should have the courage to talk to
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them and so in the end of story she
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became the first human saying hello
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through the sills so the story have to
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admit that the story is originally
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inspired also by tip jar story the story
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of a life in that story of there's also
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the main character is also a female
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linguist and she persuaded the military
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commander that the proper way of study
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alien language is not to analyze their
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grammar structures through for example
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recording materials just as expected in
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most science fiction movies but to talk
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to them face to face and the lesson to
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study human language at the same time
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so I think that is the most important
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lesson I have ever learned from the best
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sighs fiction stories which is just to
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embrace the difference to communicate
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with which the other needs to have the
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courage to knock as a tool and to cross
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the boundaries between for example
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different languages different cultures
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different words the boundary between the
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world of known and unknown so in my
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story in let's have a talk
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the nature because that stories you
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nurtured in a first-person narration so
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the nature she actually she's she came
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from China so at the story she decided
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to use her mother tongue to say hello to
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the cells
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as you can see in the master master lies
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a lot of sentences so you can see that
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he said much Nihao and then he sat down
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social Harwich means let's have a talk
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shall we
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and another interesting it that says my
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story is written in the first person
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without any crude of the nature's jan
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gender so in the first draft of the
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illustration as it's on the left you can
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see that's a first draft
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the figures coding in the flock of sea
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pups is apparently a male because the
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the artist who created that illustration
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he thought he naturally thought that the
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narrator should be a male but then after
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I saw this illustration I feel he's
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satisfied with this figure so I wrote a
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mail to the editor of nature and
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explained the implication of gender
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issue except that this character has to
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be a middle-aged female from China
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rather than a white male engineer and
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that is very that very crucial for
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story so good thing that's the editor
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kindly accepted my opinion and then he
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after the artists true device the
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alliteration and so in the final version
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you can see that the feeder has a longer
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haircut and maybe a bit bigger breast as
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you can see here so he became a sheen in
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the final version so that's that is a
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story behind the da behind my first
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story rich in English let's have a talk
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so in the year of 2015 I came to the US
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for the work home for the second time
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and this time the word curl is held in
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Spokane yes it was him spoken and and
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this time I witnessed the news sessions
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the three-body problem was a Hugo Award
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for the past and no the past novel and
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such a word was announced by art Renaud
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from the international space station so
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during the ceremony all the audience in
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the stadium
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we just we can see from the big stream
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from the big screen that this astronaut
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she was just floating in the
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International Space Station and the he
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unlost at the winner is the three-body
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program and then he is through the book
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throughout the book to the camera and
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all of audience can see can see that the
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book was floating toward the camera in
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original estate
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so what which was a super super crew and
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a super-sized fictional moment and very
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historical moment because that's a very
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first time for our Chinese and also
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translated work to one this past novel
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Hugo Warner and you can you can imagine
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that how crazy I was screaming as had
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momentum in the last man
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however it was a bit pity that you see
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what wasn't there because he didn't
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believe that he would want the Hyuga one
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so so Kelly was there as a translator he
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accepted the trophy and give the sacks
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for this regime and and the during the
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work Hong I also have other interesting
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stories for example I interviewed charge
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our martini and I carefully prepared a
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gift for him so as you can see the
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picture the gift is a Chinese fan this
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category feeling on one side so this for
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captures our culture mapping which
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litter makes god of the pit Martin so in
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Chinese when the officer created a super
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long work it's called we call this
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action as I like on digging a pinch so
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God has a big mix the author keeps
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writing but never finish so the readers
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who have fallen into the peach can only
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wait in the peach gas room desperately
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so that's what Chinese people call
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Martin we call him pitch because of page
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function so after the interview I give
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the fans an essential heart Mary and
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explained the meaning of the categories
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and the case seemed really happy with
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that so he does a concert send and have
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had this picture and also after war calm
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I actually accidentally got a chance to
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meet Jeff Chang in person in Belleville
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which is where he lived and actually
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touched on his are not very sociable
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people and he doesn't show around a bit
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a lot so you imagine how excited I was
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when I got to know that I have this
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opportunity to talk to him face to face
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so I'll be Matt in a cafe in ba Bo and
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after I introduced myself as a siphon
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rider from China and I how I got rule of
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his stories when I
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in high school and he replied that yes I
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know I know that part science fact
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fiction right and I said yes and then I
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just stuck for a stone for a [ __ ] for a
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short time and then suddenly I realized
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that he just had read my conversation
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with canoe which he doesn't publish that
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a few years earlier so he already know
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who I am and now I already know my my
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likes my connection of the connection
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between my own seismic writing with him
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so if you have read a story of life you
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may know that the story is just
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basically around the concept of of time
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and in the story is a female linguist
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says he/she learn the strange alien
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language from that the aliens in the
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stories and that language is a nonlinear
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language so that she could experience
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and that log will also change in her her
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mind her like a structure of her feeling
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of this world of of space and time which
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give her this ability to experience the
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past and the future moments at the same
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time as a very like a very magical
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ability so when I heard the term percise
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fiction coming from a job suddenly I had
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a very sized fictional feeling that I
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was back true about like a three years
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ago to the high school when I was
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reading the comment on my conversation
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notebook from my best friend young she I
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thought was my first time to read the
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term her science fiction and at the very
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same moment I was hearing a song coming
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from very near very far future coming
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from three years later from from maybe
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15 years later from Cape John he said
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that here yes I hear you I hear you your
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size fiction your part size diction and
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appreciate
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so the
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a very magical moment in my life and
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then in 2017 I traveled to Helsinki for
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my server calm so that time because that
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was healed in our not in the US but in
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European countries so the host
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tried their best to mixes were calm
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became more international so the
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organizers say they invited a group of
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presenters from different countries
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including me
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so here are pictures of me presenting
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the Hugo Award for pastor semi-frozen as
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you can see in the pictures and that
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time there's a certain volume of the
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three-body problem trilogy I think it's
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finally said yes the data that's in so
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that's what bottom it was also nominated
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for the best new for the past novel of
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catechism not Hugo Warner but so that
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time havens we have sinky but very
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unlucky lai-him lost the Hugo so after
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the ceremony he went to the losers party
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held by george RR martin so because
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every year there was there would be like
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a losers party held by john madden for
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the losers of hugo world and he drunk a
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lot a lot that night he said don't worry
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because the trunk as we can as many as
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we could because all of this drink will
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be just on Marie's death so hope they
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talk a lot bus but I think the good
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thing is that he already made some
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unbelievable achievements which no one
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else have ever made before so maybe
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that's a pity but he he has he already
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succeeded in many ways so the permantly
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the crashing the crashing is what's the
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next what what you expect after loosing
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after the shrimp on a problem for those
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Chinese science fiction so under that of
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Barry
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very challenging crashing and there's no
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clear answer right now but what is clear
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is that from my point of view from at my
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in my opinion I think what what is
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crucial is that the younger generation
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of science fiction writers in China
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including me cannot easily for example
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copy losing small copy his way of
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writing they have to exploring a variety
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of different directions to unfold those
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invisible spaces and show all of this
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hidden spaces to other reading readers
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in our own ways so that's a big
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challenge in front of all of us
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and in recent years I have been working
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on a new project it's kind of like a
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fix-up normal entitled Chinese
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encyclopedia and it's it should be
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because it's not finished and it should
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be consisted of a series of short
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stories exploring how ordinary people's
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lives would be influenced by technology
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code development in near future China
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and in most cases I would just like to
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introduce it as a Chinese version of
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black Miller but not that dark so here I
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want to explain a bit more about this
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title because this title Chinese is
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Chinese is a cube here it's actually
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borrowed from an article by our burgers
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in that article burgers quotient of
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fictional Chinese a fictional Chinese
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encyclopedia in which the interest of
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for example animals divided are divided
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into a very curious way of classes
824
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classification for example a is like a
825
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belonging to the Emperor P is involved
826
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:47,450
the C is tame the sucking pigs he sirens
827
00:43:42,530 --> 00:43:49,730
F fabulous Jean stray dogs are included
828
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:53,180
in the present classification so this
829
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:57,560
kind of kind of like out just like some
830
00:43:53,180 --> 00:44:00,860
nonsense and later Fred photographer
831
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:05,270
philosopher Michel Foucault's also cited
832
00:44:00,860 --> 00:44:08,270
this passage in the preface of order of
833
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:11,900
things and archaeology of human sizes
834
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:14,270
and he used this fictional Chinese is a
835
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:17,360
coup period to discuss about the
836
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:20,980
difficulty in understanding another
837
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:24,230
system of such and I think such
838
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:26,660
interpretation just echoes with the he
839
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:31,430
destroyed in my own writing in my
840
00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:33,320
stories of this fix-up novel so the
841
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:36,080
existence this title Chinese
842
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,050
encyclopedia not only literally implies
843
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,470
a setting
844
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:43,650
of all of these stories but also becomes
845
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:46,050
a metaphor of the boundary as a mission
846
00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:49,410
the boundaries between the same and the
847
00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:53,550
other which encourage in which requires
848
00:44:49,410 --> 00:44:59,550
over courage or a curiosity and a mercy
849
00:44:53,550 --> 00:45:03,870
to step across and all of these stories
850
00:44:59,550 --> 00:45:06,750
just came derive from lastima talk that
851
00:45:03,870 --> 00:45:09,390
short story so in all of the story you
852
00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:12,810
can see the same main capture the female
853
00:45:09,390 --> 00:45:14,610
linguist she travels to different for
854
00:45:12,810 --> 00:45:18,300
them at different cities in China and
855
00:45:14,610 --> 00:45:22,050
miss different people mostly ordinary
856
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:25,500
people in each story and the so far I
857
00:45:22,050 --> 00:45:28,860
think just only one of all of the so far
858
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:31,380
I finished about like eight stories yes
859
00:45:28,860 --> 00:45:34,170
I think eight stories in this serious
860
00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:37,980
and but only one of these stories have
861
00:45:34,170 --> 00:45:41,550
been published in English entitled cool
862
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:46,430
night good night melancholy and that
863
00:45:41,550 --> 00:45:49,470
story explores depression and AI
864
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:52,260
surfaced and turn chest so isn't also
865
00:45:49,470 --> 00:45:55,830
but it's also a story about like how can
866
00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:59,970
we or can we not have a good talk with
867
00:45:55,830 --> 00:46:03,140
the eye and later this year another
868
00:45:59,970 --> 00:46:06,480
story from the same fiction novel
869
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:10,650
entitled is a monk of Lin temple main
870
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:13,980
system will be published in the Anna the
871
00:46:10,650 --> 00:46:16,680
MIT reviews otology intron comments
872
00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:18,150
tomorrow's lovers family and friends and
873
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:22,880
it's also Papa
874
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:28,080
translated by canoe so the story will be
875
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:31,830
Buddhism and color and atonement in this
876
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:34,350
age of technology so please I think this
877
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:37,500
book will be will be a forthcoming in
878
00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:39,630
this September so please if you feel
879
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:44,240
interested that just the look forward to
880
00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:48,150
that so as I said in the very beginning
881
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:50,260
science fiction changed me and became a
882
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:54,400
way of life of me
883
00:46:50,260 --> 00:46:56,350
way of a turn as I said in for several
884
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,890
times as a way of crossing the
885
00:46:56,350 --> 00:47:02,050
boundaries so as is shown in this to
886
00:46:59,890 --> 00:47:06,850
charge we can see that which which is a
887
00:47:02,050 --> 00:47:09,070
I think the best way to elaborate how
888
00:47:06,850 --> 00:47:11,440
science fiction can be a way of crossing
889
00:47:09,070 --> 00:47:13,990
the boundaries so on the left you can
890
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,720
see that is how common overcome our
891
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:20,820
common sense function which is it says
892
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:24,340
like a there's an invisible boundary
893
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:26,410
which just in cycle the all of the
894
00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:30,070
things we have already known and most of
895
00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:31,930
time when we registered as a follow all
896
00:47:30,070 --> 00:47:36,490
of this conditional common sense
897
00:47:31,930 --> 00:47:39,250
Commission on knowledge to speak to talk
898
00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:42,010
and to act and these so-called comma
899
00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:44,890
says says is actually kind of like a
900
00:47:42,010 --> 00:47:48,760
sheer letter like a the dominant
901
00:47:44,890 --> 00:47:52,060
ideology shared by the majority of
902
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:54,730
people but sometimes sometimes sighs
903
00:47:52,060 --> 00:47:58,660
diction can be a good way to provide us
904
00:47:54,730 --> 00:48:01,810
a vision to see something different to
905
00:47:58,660 --> 00:48:03,820
see beyond this boundary to see
906
00:48:01,810 --> 00:48:06,340
something beyond this common sense and
907
00:48:03,820 --> 00:48:09,190
interesting about like a something to
908
00:48:06,340 --> 00:48:12,190
ask question about like what else to
909
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:16,030
think differently what else what else
910
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:18,310
will be in somewhere else not here but
911
00:48:16,030 --> 00:48:21,430
somewhere else and knowledge and this
912
00:48:18,310 --> 00:48:25,330
kind of question can push us to go
913
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:29,080
further to try to explore to to explore
914
00:48:25,330 --> 00:48:31,540
for like a example portal to get khatoun
915
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:35,200
the other words with an other dimensions
916
00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:37,810
of the unknown words so that's a I think
917
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,390
what child-sized fiction can the best
918
00:48:37,810 --> 00:48:44,320
things science fiction can provide us in
919
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:46,720
my opinion and if you want to read more
920
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:50,500
science fiction from China here's a
921
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:52,720
short list of recommendation of course I
922
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:54,250
think many of you have already quite
923
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:57,940
familiar with the three-body problem
924
00:48:54,250 --> 00:49:01,360
trilogy by noticing and also we have the
925
00:48:57,940 --> 00:49:03,650
best hide by a change of fun and the
926
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,830
other one is the the
927
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:10,220
reduction the reduction of time by pound
928
00:49:06,830 --> 00:49:10,880
shoe so all of this the facts all of the
929
00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:15,110
facts
930
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:18,140
all of these are novels and if you are
931
00:49:15,110 --> 00:49:20,540
more into short stories here we have
932
00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:23,710
true on Salah geez
933
00:49:20,540 --> 00:49:28,040
for example the invisible planets and
934
00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:30,920
broken stars both are translated and
935
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:33,610
edited by canoe and there's a third one
936
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:37,610
called rewriting shell the English title
937
00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:39,770
is touchable unreality is a bilingual
938
00:49:37,610 --> 00:49:41,360
anthology so if you want to use science
939
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:44,150
fiction as a way of like a look for
940
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:47,120
example learning English or Chinese you
941
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:49,910
can choose this one and this first one
942
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:52,370
is a The Wanderers is a collection by
943
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:55,220
researching and as a title story has
944
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:59,570
been translated has been adapted into a
945
00:49:55,220 --> 00:50:03,800
film and it became really like a top as
946
00:49:59,570 --> 00:50:07,100
example like the top this is the second
947
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:10,970
of the pasta so the batter like a
948
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:15,470
blockbuster last two years late last
949
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:18,260
year yeah in 2019 and a and this one can
950
00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:21,950
be watched on Netflix but I am not quite
951
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:25,340
sure how about exceptions in the English
952
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:31,520
or other languages audience maybe not
953
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:33,650
such good as in China so in the end let
954
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:37,910
me just end up my speech with my own
955
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:39,740
Rory this is one of my favorite so in
956
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:44,260
the drawer you can see here's a little
957
00:50:39,740 --> 00:50:48,610
girl she is she's she's she's she's
958
00:50:44,260 --> 00:50:51,560
watching a she's saying oh rat dream and
959
00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:54,800
she doesn't know where the drug she is
960
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:58,790
going but she can feel a very strong
961
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:01,040
desire inside the desire of jumping ups
962
00:50:58,790 --> 00:51:04,160
are registering and going to somewhere
963
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:07,520
else so I think size picture for me is
964
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:10,400
like this Brad trim and also I hope my
965
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:14,300
speech today can be also that's
966
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:17,450
registering for all of you for which can
967
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:20,599
take you to leave the your
968
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:23,630
you are familiar war 2 somewhere else
969
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:26,150
for example to go to the invisible world
970
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:28,849
of Chinese science-fiction and I hope
971
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:33,619
you have a nice trip here okay that's
972
00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:35,270
all thank you thank you professor Wong
973
00:51:33,619 --> 00:51:37,400
it was wonderful we really appreciate
974
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:38,930
you sharing your insights on Chinese
975
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,420
science-fiction and a bit about your own
976
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:48,740
history and personal journey in this
977
00:51:41,420 --> 00:51:50,720
field yes so I have a few questions also
978
00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:52,400
a few students have emailed us a few
979
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:54,200
questions and so if you don't mind we'll
980
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,890
maybe continue the conversation a little
981
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,329
bit and the first I'm gonna start with
982
00:51:57,890 --> 00:52:00,800
one of the student questions but I'm
983
00:51:59,329 --> 00:52:03,980
gonna piggyback with a little of my own
984
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:06,290
thoughts so the question is are there
985
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:08,630
aspects that set Chinese science fiction
986
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:11,300
apart from American science fiction but
987
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:13,670
now I'm gonna also ask and you talked
988
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:15,349
about in your lecture how this whole
989
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:17,480
notion of what makes Chinese science
990
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:18,890
fiction Chinese being a kind of question
991
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,170
that haunted you a little bit during
992
00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:23,599
your dissertation and led you to explore
993
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:25,609
that but I'm gonna play the devil's
994
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:27,410
advocate a little bit and just ask why
995
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:28,640
does it matter because one of the
996
00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:31,520
beautiful things about science fiction
997
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:34,339
is that it provides an alternative
998
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:37,490
reality in a different space a different
999
00:52:34,339 --> 00:52:40,579
time a different race often where we can
1000
00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:45,230
finally shed the identity of nationalism
1001
00:52:40,579 --> 00:52:48,230
and human geography and so why are we so
1002
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:50,839
obsessed with this notion of Chinese
1003
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:52,670
science fiction or nationalism projected
1004
00:52:50,839 --> 00:52:54,859
if you mentioned wandering earth and
1005
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:57,050
that maybe some American audiences were
1006
00:52:54,859 --> 00:52:59,089
didn't have as strong a receptionist
1007
00:52:57,050 --> 00:53:00,740
Chinese audiences and that's an example
1008
00:52:59,089 --> 00:53:03,619
where you have a science fiction story
1009
00:53:00,740 --> 00:53:05,990
but as a very strong nationalistic kind
1010
00:53:03,619 --> 00:53:07,369
of ideology that's injected there and so
1011
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:11,510
I was wondering if you could say a
1012
00:53:07,369 --> 00:53:13,970
little bit about why why nationalism
1013
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:15,710
matters and why does and should we care
1014
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:17,720
about it when we talk about science
1015
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:20,960
fiction or should science fiction be the
1016
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:30,630
one literature that we can shed this
1017
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:35,160
kind of matters because yeah next time
1018
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:37,259
somebody asked me this question why is
1019
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,750
matter why so curious about like a
1020
00:53:37,259 --> 00:53:42,599
Chinese Chinese news of kind of science
1021
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:45,990
fiction and I think uh I think there's
1022
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:49,079
like a hidden desire to behind this kind
1023
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:52,319
of crashing that's like example the the
1024
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:54,390
readers from like english-speaking such
1025
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:57,480
communities they are also looking for
1026
00:53:54,390 --> 00:54:00,630
something else something from there I'm
1027
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:03,029
not worth one thing is that when we
1028
00:54:00,630 --> 00:54:05,460
speak of science fiction we think that
1029
00:54:03,029 --> 00:54:08,430
it should be a very international very
1030
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:11,160
futuristic but actually in a very
1031
00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:14,160
long-term of history is not actually not
1032
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:16,799
it's very actually a European center and
1033
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:20,309
your Europe America central very like a
1034
00:54:16,799 --> 00:54:24,089
honestly like a smash and snap style of
1035
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:26,369
like a as a as a mode of understand what
1036
00:54:24,089 --> 00:54:30,059
is for example civilization what is like
1037
00:54:26,369 --> 00:54:33,089
a mortality and the witches in many ways
1038
00:54:30,059 --> 00:54:34,740
actually natural our way of thinking for
1039
00:54:33,089 --> 00:54:37,970
example be let me speak of like of
1040
00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:42,029
example space exploration space travel
1041
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:44,250
if you if you watch some like a movies
1042
00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:47,910
or TV series about like the space travel
1043
00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:51,859
or like a space opera stories especially
1044
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:54,509
for the readers from non-western culture
1045
00:54:51,859 --> 00:54:56,970
audience you can very easily if to find
1046
00:54:54,509 --> 00:55:00,690
so many of Lexuses culture bias
1047
00:54:56,970 --> 00:55:03,630
discrimination hidden in this kind of
1048
00:55:00,690 --> 00:55:06,869
narration so but maybe for like the
1049
00:55:03,630 --> 00:55:10,190
white readers they think that appear so
1050
00:55:06,869 --> 00:55:13,799
natural for all of these for example
1051
00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:15,990
civilize the alien spacious doesn't
1052
00:55:13,799 --> 00:55:19,160
speak very good English and the
1053
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:22,319
uncivilized aliens ever speak something
1054
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:25,710
songs like just meaningless but she
1055
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:29,009
sounds like a for example of Asian or
1056
00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:32,900
meadow issue languages this kind of this
1057
00:55:29,009 --> 00:55:36,509
is very super face super superficial
1058
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:43,560
examines examples but I want to say that
1059
00:55:36,509 --> 00:55:46,440
as globalization just accelerated and
1060
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:50,060
give up so many challenges and problems
1061
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:54,240
to ask about was a problem about this
1062
00:55:50,060 --> 00:55:57,690
modernity this only mode or only way on
1063
00:55:54,240 --> 00:56:01,260
this most dominant way of modernity
1064
00:55:57,690 --> 00:56:03,420
then there's must be the question to
1065
00:56:01,260 --> 00:56:06,270
couple with these kind of questions
1066
00:56:03,420 --> 00:56:08,690
what's like the alternative modernity
1067
00:56:06,270 --> 00:56:12,750
and what we can can be learned from
1068
00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:16,350
other alternative narration of modernity
1069
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:17,940
so I think that's why people just became
1070
00:56:16,350 --> 00:56:20,070
more cared more and more cares about
1071
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:21,930
China for example Chinese science
1072
00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:23,490
fiction because China no you cannot say
1073
00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:26,340
China China is not a modern country
1074
00:56:23,490 --> 00:56:30,090
which is but it's still many many
1075
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:33,990
differences be from for example American
1076
00:56:30,090 --> 00:56:37,830
mouths of Europe development and also
1077
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:42,240
the the sections researchers are they
1078
00:56:37,830 --> 00:56:43,440
also paid a lot of attention about you
1079
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:46,830
um for example
1080
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:50,550
photosensor Africa Pedro we like to read
1081
00:56:46,830 --> 00:56:54,090
even all as afro afrofuturism to tourism
1082
00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:56,580
yeah after futurism yes so just from
1083
00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:59,370
native cultures so I think the problem
1084
00:56:56,580 --> 00:57:01,890
is not like like that you regard for
1085
00:56:59,370 --> 00:57:05,490
example China or Africa or Latin
1086
00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:09,650
American or this kind of like a regional
1087
00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:13,830
terms as how to say like the essence of
1088
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:18,180
nationalism and as a way of true remove
1089
00:57:13,830 --> 00:57:20,700
us from this Europe America Center to
1090
00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:23,100
try to understand that there are really
1091
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:25,590
that they're really not just that in
1092
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:27,510
seismic generation but in the history in
1093
00:57:25,590 --> 00:57:32,240
the 20th century they used to be really
1094
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:35,720
a multiple ways of modernization and the
1095
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:39,900
feedback to this very process of
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00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:41,700
alternative moon ization people in
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00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:44,600
different regions and the countries
1098
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:48,000
recruited their own way of caring about
1099
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:51,000
stories about developed development and
1100
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,680
the future and this became the science
1101
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,340
fiction narration so there's a very
1102
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,640
natural flow the from this very process
1103
00:57:55,340 --> 00:58:00,150
so I
1104
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:03,000
that's also what I try to treat to Adams
1105
00:58:00,150 --> 00:58:05,819
at an abscessed Chinese science fiction
1106
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,589
in this way so then I will be you
1107
00:58:05,819 --> 00:58:10,440
mention for themselves as some likes our
1108
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:12,359
traditional culture in the science
1109
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,700
fiction for example David Wong describe
1110
00:58:12,359 --> 00:58:16,890
the suspect in lady Ching as sighs
1111
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:20,220
honestly because there are so many
1112
00:58:16,890 --> 00:58:25,920
shouldn't y souza Chinese traditional
1113
00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:30,359
pharmacy admins he combined his single a
1114
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:33,569
new scientific development technology is
1115
00:58:30,359 --> 00:58:38,430
think that's kind of stories but he also
1116
00:58:33,569 --> 00:58:41,700
provided why this fantasy elements still
1117
00:58:38,430 --> 00:58:45,029
exist and how can be how could this
1118
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:48,329
animus reflect people's for example the
1119
00:58:45,029 --> 00:58:52,289
transformation of not from of ordinary
1120
00:58:48,329 --> 00:58:54,089
people now by sea you mean they are way
1121
00:58:52,289 --> 00:58:57,900
of thinking the transformation of the
1122
00:58:54,089 --> 00:59:00,630
earth mind such theories a very
1123
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:02,759
important transformation of political
1124
00:59:00,630 --> 00:59:04,529
and politics and a society user
1125
00:59:02,759 --> 00:59:07,950
beginning of 20th century
1126
00:59:04,529 --> 00:59:09,869
so I think just a king the contemporary
1127
00:59:07,950 --> 00:59:13,500
Chinese has fiction since the 1990s we
1128
00:59:09,869 --> 00:59:17,160
can also see not the exact same but a
1129
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:20,819
very similar process of the development
1130
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:23,339
of science fiction how how it echoes
1131
00:59:20,819 --> 00:59:26,460
means this transformation of Chinese
1132
00:59:23,339 --> 00:59:30,180
society so that's what I explored in my
1133
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:33,869
paper in my dissertation yeah wonder if
1134
00:59:30,180 --> 00:59:35,460
I could ask a follow-up if Chinese
1135
00:59:33,869 --> 00:59:37,230
science fiction indeed provides us with
1136
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:40,410
a kind of alternative modernity or
1137
00:59:37,230 --> 00:59:42,420
alternative outlet to Western science
1138
00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:44,690
fiction when we look at Western science
1139
00:59:42,420 --> 00:59:46,799
fiction there's all of these subgenres
1140
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:49,259
time-travel world-building
1141
00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:50,970
are there besides the fantasy element
1142
00:59:49,259 --> 00:59:53,730
that you just mentioned what are the
1143
00:59:50,970 --> 00:59:57,119
other subgenres of science fiction that
1144
00:59:53,730 --> 01:00:01,079
we only have in the Chinese context are
1145
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:05,220
there yeah I can give a lot of like a
1146
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:07,230
serious look like as sabroso like what
1147
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:09,839
they wanna mention is that in 1998 sir
1148
01:00:07,230 --> 01:00:13,709
it used to be a very popular way of
1149
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:18,539
sighs to be writing to uh actually it's
1150
01:00:13,709 --> 01:00:20,549
simply a very simple and very not very
1151
01:00:18,539 --> 01:00:23,130
sophisticated way but still very
1152
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:24,900
interesting as like a mirror a cultural
1153
01:00:23,130 --> 01:00:27,239
mirror to reflect people's way of
1154
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:30,089
thinking that it's like a narration of
1155
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:33,049
sterilization or like so how does it
1156
01:00:30,089 --> 01:00:35,910
mean the terms was a client of between
1157
01:00:33,049 --> 01:00:38,339
summarizations so this kind of story
1158
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:42,049
they're always like a very developed
1159
01:00:38,339 --> 01:00:44,670
from the my alias validation or alien
1160
01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:47,039
visitor came to [ __ ] somebody came
1161
01:00:44,670 --> 01:00:49,650
through the earth and he he or she or
1162
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:51,329
ages the travel to the nation to China
1163
01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:55,430
and to meet some Asian the Chinese
1164
01:00:51,329 --> 01:00:59,039
people and he he or she learned some
1165
01:00:55,430 --> 01:01:00,989
traditional Chinese wisdom and he
1166
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:04,109
realized that oh that's a really very
1167
01:01:00,989 --> 01:01:08,430
very smart way of thinking and the big
1168
01:01:04,109 --> 01:01:10,709
me as highly developed civilization we
1169
01:01:08,430 --> 01:01:16,229
shouldn't learn from this similar very
1170
01:01:10,709 --> 01:01:20,309
primary a primary very ancient kind of
1171
01:01:16,229 --> 01:01:23,279
sterilization so not only of tracker how
1172
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:25,880
does he like the motile the mean that
1173
01:01:23,279 --> 01:01:28,829
you're is the anxiety of this
1174
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:32,539
realization that nationalism or like the
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01:01:28,829 --> 01:01:35,699
culture subject that's what do women
1176
01:01:32,539 --> 01:01:37,679
what is mean as like for example Chinese
1177
01:01:35,699 --> 01:01:41,579
people or China Chinese culture in this
1178
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:44,749
era of globalization and also you can
1179
01:01:41,579 --> 01:01:46,619
see there's many about like a complete
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01:01:44,749 --> 01:01:49,349
computation between different of
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01:01:46,619 --> 01:01:52,109
civilizations there's like a develop
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01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:53,729
developed and undeveloped and sometimes
1183
01:01:52,109 --> 01:01:57,179
you can see that ultimately they can
1184
01:01:53,729 --> 01:02:03,739
they can never fight against they can
1185
01:01:57,179 --> 01:02:07,519
they cannot try a trifle to hobson to
1186
01:02:03,739 --> 01:02:09,869
compete with such developed culture
1187
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:13,319
realizations because they have been very
1188
01:02:09,869 --> 01:02:16,650
powerful mappers but at the same time
1189
01:02:13,319 --> 01:02:20,670
the authors they also try to think about
1190
01:02:16,650 --> 01:02:23,460
some kind of like a counter occupation
1191
01:02:20,670 --> 01:02:27,720
occupation occupation that
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01:02:23,460 --> 01:02:29,670
the use of this digital Amanda to not
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01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,520
say that about the envelope today they
1194
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:35,220
are Chinese but they apparently have
1195
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:39,450
some elements very similar as Chinese
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01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:42,210
people victim of the armory for the now
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01:02:39,450 --> 01:02:45,809
peaceful life and they very happy to
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01:02:42,210 --> 01:02:48,660
live aquaculture way of production and
1199
01:02:45,809 --> 01:02:53,430
they use some kind of like a Confucius
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01:02:48,660 --> 01:02:56,369
way to arrange their social Society or
1201
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:59,700
social orders and this kind of like a
1202
01:02:56,369 --> 01:03:03,839
culture or yes Confucian culture or like
1203
01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:09,319
the or the Chinese traditional culture
1204
01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:13,500
has this magical power to to let such
1205
01:03:09,319 --> 01:03:16,589
developed in civilizations to identify
1206
01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:19,470
the race this under the undeveloped so
1207
01:03:16,589 --> 01:03:22,650
this is a very kind of like of national
1208
01:03:19,470 --> 01:03:26,640
national the submission of the allegory
1209
01:03:22,650 --> 01:03:31,410
of national a degree of nationalism in
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01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:34,290
the era of globalization yes this is one
1211
01:03:31,410 --> 01:03:36,420
of Canada's and during the period I
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01:03:34,290 --> 01:03:40,559
think there are also like a discussion
1213
01:03:36,420 --> 01:03:43,589
on houses or cycling writers actually
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01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:46,710
choose approach of develop their size
1215
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:50,760
fish stories some argue that that only
1216
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:53,700
the four examples are the Golden Age
1217
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:56,369
science fiction more is just a common or
1218
01:03:53,700 --> 01:04:00,540
proper way of writing science fiction so
1219
01:03:56,369 --> 01:04:02,490
if we want to develop this develop the
1220
01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:04,559
Chinese science fiction and the which
1221
01:04:02,490 --> 01:04:06,420
can be a good way because many people
1222
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:07,970
believe that which can be a very good
1223
01:04:06,420 --> 01:04:10,829
way to develop Chinese people's
1224
01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:13,500
scientific spirit and then to develop
1225
01:04:10,829 --> 01:04:16,920
Chinese science and technology so they
1226
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:19,770
think that it is a magic power of all of
1227
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:22,500
these things so they think that to
1228
01:04:19,770 --> 01:04:25,410
follow up all of these conventions crit
1229
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:28,290
advisor for example Golden Age masters
1230
01:04:25,410 --> 01:04:31,140
the white masters is only proper way to
1231
01:04:28,290 --> 01:04:35,400
develop Chinese size diction and if you
1232
01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:36,810
want you like detour you to try to find
1233
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,930
a easier way and you
1234
01:04:36,810 --> 01:04:43,080
this fantastic fantasy elements that can
1235
01:04:39,930 --> 01:04:48,210
be are not very good ways like a violin
1236
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:51,090
she does the wily Russian to find a
1237
01:04:48,210 --> 01:04:53,910
Yeezy but not a good way but other
1238
01:04:51,090 --> 01:04:58,740
people other riders believe that we can
1239
01:04:53,910 --> 01:05:02,010
not just a follow follow those masters
1240
01:04:58,740 --> 01:05:04,500
forever we have to find some so called
1241
01:05:02,010 --> 01:05:06,870
the Chinese way even though they did not
1242
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:09,630
know where will that what this Chinese
1243
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:12,870
way should be but they said that they
1244
01:05:09,630 --> 01:05:14,670
encourage riders to try me or to borrow
1245
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:17,490
elements from all of these different
1246
01:05:14,670 --> 01:05:22,620
kinds of writings for example they purse
1247
01:05:17,490 --> 01:05:26,550
from Lorien or Sutton's new historical
1248
01:05:22,620 --> 01:05:29,810
writings to like rewrite the Chinese
1249
01:05:26,550 --> 01:05:34,700
fake history and he very actually very
1250
01:05:29,810 --> 01:05:39,180
kinda selects a magical realism
1251
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:41,370
narration style to write a science
1252
01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:43,980
fiction story so this is have to try
1253
01:05:41,370 --> 01:05:46,860
different ways and I think that's very
1254
01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:51,600
charming very fascinating like an
1255
01:05:46,860 --> 01:05:53,100
experiment field to actually actually to
1256
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:56,040
look back for him
1257
01:05:53,100 --> 01:06:01,410
things are just true to the science
1258
01:05:56,040 --> 01:06:02,700
fiction in the 1990s you you talk from
1259
01:06:01,410 --> 01:06:04,380
the beginning of your lecture a lot
1260
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:05,940
about this history of Chinese science
1261
01:06:04,380 --> 01:06:07,680
fiction and I want to go back to that
1262
01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:10,110
timeline a little bit because people
1263
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,990
like me when we think of science fiction
1264
01:06:10,110 --> 01:06:15,090
in China we usually think of these three
1265
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:17,070
climaxes first being late Ching the
1266
01:06:15,090 --> 01:06:19,500
second being the early reform era and
1267
01:06:17,070 --> 01:06:22,170
the third being the last 20 years or so
1268
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:25,470
this current moment and the first to
1269
01:06:22,170 --> 01:06:26,940
have very clear political subtexts the
1270
01:06:25,470 --> 01:06:29,570
late Qing of course the nations in
1271
01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:31,950
crisis you have the Sun yat-sen
1272
01:06:29,570 --> 01:06:34,410
Republican revolution that's taking form
1273
01:06:31,950 --> 01:06:36,900
and there's all kinds of ideas about
1274
01:06:34,410 --> 01:06:38,520
modernity about nationalism and science
1275
01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:41,540
fiction is playing into these new ideas
1276
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,540
about science itself
1277
01:06:41,660 --> 01:06:49,080
yes future utopian imagine China sure
1278
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:50,630
and then early reform era you've got the
1279
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,730
four modernizations right
1280
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:58,460
the Kushina daiquan and very much those
1281
01:06:52,730 --> 01:07:01,720
are but then we get to the more
1282
01:06:58,460 --> 01:07:06,470
contemporary moment doesn't seem to be a
1283
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:08,329
clear next there you didn't give a
1284
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:10,430
little bit of background about the high
1285
01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:12,559
school examination and these magazines
1286
01:07:10,430 --> 01:07:13,880
that played a role but if we step out of
1287
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:16,579
that and look from a macro perspective
1288
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,140
what do you think are some of the what
1289
01:07:16,579 --> 01:07:20,480
are the real reasons that we have this
1290
01:07:18,140 --> 01:07:22,099
flourishing of Chinese science fiction
1291
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,009
over the last 20 years are there
1292
01:07:22,099 --> 01:07:27,230
historical political economic things
1293
01:07:25,009 --> 01:07:31,279
happening in society that you feel are
1294
01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:33,470
directly fueling that hear your thoughts
1295
01:07:31,279 --> 01:07:37,160
about what else led to this current
1296
01:07:33,470 --> 01:07:39,170
flowering yes firstly I see I think the
1297
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:42,619
the very uniqueness of the science
1298
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:46,369
fiction after the 99 is that it
1299
01:07:42,619 --> 01:07:48,740
it's firstly became a real mass culture
1300
01:07:46,369 --> 01:07:51,799
and that it's just a flourished and a
1301
01:07:48,740 --> 01:07:54,319
survived as a mass culture in this mass
1302
01:07:51,799 --> 01:07:56,900
culture market which used to be very
1303
01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:59,240
clear in the 1990s so many different a
1304
01:07:56,900 --> 01:08:05,750
chance of writings like a she-she-she to
1305
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:09,019
me or like a dimensional sure this kind
1306
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:12,740
of like a discussion on how can they
1307
01:08:09,019 --> 01:08:14,799
develop how can we write you know proper
1308
01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:17,569
way and the Huckabay
1309
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:21,339
survived in this market and we have like
1310
01:08:17,569 --> 01:08:24,219
the bunker or other like so many like
1311
01:08:21,339 --> 01:08:29,259
Hollywood films so it's just a very
1312
01:08:24,219 --> 01:08:33,920
chaotic feel for the mass culture to
1313
01:08:29,259 --> 01:08:37,159
flourish and so that's just during the
1314
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:39,980
this process the science fiction world
1315
01:08:37,159 --> 01:08:43,130
the magazine they decided that they have
1316
01:08:39,980 --> 01:08:47,270
to survive as a culture not as our
1317
01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:50,270
example the pop pop sighs reading or
1318
01:08:47,270 --> 01:08:52,850
like a very political reading but does
1319
01:08:50,270 --> 01:08:55,839
they have to sure for example they have
1320
01:08:52,850 --> 01:09:00,589
to know what's their readership is
1321
01:08:55,839 --> 01:09:04,400
exactly is and how can we to attract
1322
01:09:00,589 --> 01:09:07,909
this very specific readership so
1323
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:14,509
they did a several of off like like how
1324
01:09:07,909 --> 01:09:17,299
does it censorship delta-y investigation
1325
01:09:14,509 --> 01:09:19,190
and they realize that in near very
1326
01:09:17,299 --> 01:09:21,409
beginning they stops at the exam of the
1327
01:09:19,190 --> 01:09:23,150
assassin readers should be program about
1328
01:09:21,409 --> 01:09:24,440
college students and if they realize
1329
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:26,929
that's not true
1330
01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:30,140
the main readership they should attract
1331
01:09:26,929 --> 01:09:32,509
is students from the middle school so
1332
01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:34,580
they did a lot of work to not just
1333
01:09:32,509 --> 01:09:36,830
attractive the the middle school
1334
01:09:34,580 --> 01:09:38,900
students but also attract their parents
1335
01:09:36,830 --> 01:09:41,330
which is very important because at that
1336
01:09:38,900 --> 01:09:44,690
time their parents they have the power
1337
01:09:41,330 --> 01:09:47,299
to buy the magazines or to like to order
1338
01:09:44,690 --> 01:09:49,850
the magazines from the post office for
1339
01:09:47,299 --> 01:09:52,009
their kids so that's also how I became
1340
01:09:49,850 --> 01:09:54,199
to read the story in my parents they
1341
01:09:52,009 --> 01:09:56,690
start out such diction is a good thing
1342
01:09:54,199 --> 01:10:01,460
which can like put some a calculate your
1343
01:09:56,690 --> 01:10:03,920
size spirit so they decided to order the
1344
01:10:01,460 --> 01:10:07,790
magazine from the post office and which
1345
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:10,340
made me this became a very loyal size
1346
01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:12,710
diction reader and the size of em and
1347
01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:15,560
that's why I also mention is that in the
1348
01:10:12,710 --> 01:10:17,659
nineteen ninety ninety nine the magazine
1349
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:20,440
editors the make use of this opportunity
1350
01:10:17,659 --> 01:10:24,650
to connect their magazine to the
1351
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:28,210
examination to improve that the their
1352
01:10:24,650 --> 01:10:31,100
magazine actually is a very not
1353
01:10:28,210 --> 01:10:33,170
non-efficient whole magazine just a
1354
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:36,290
actually very popular culture magazine
1355
01:10:33,170 --> 01:10:39,980
but they just use they're just different
1356
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:42,530
ways to improve to to persuade the
1357
01:10:39,980 --> 01:10:47,330
parent that they're met they have the
1358
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:49,250
prominence in the system of education so
1359
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:52,130
that's one thing and the other thing is
1360
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:57,949
that I think in the 1990s the size it
1361
01:10:52,130 --> 01:11:00,350
still became very culture yeah cuz in
1362
01:10:57,949 --> 01:11:01,489
for example hinga from the 1950s to the
1363
01:11:00,350 --> 01:11:04,760
70s
1364
01:11:01,489 --> 01:11:09,489
size is apparently very political and
1365
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:14,840
the garments used their strategies true
1366
01:11:09,489 --> 01:11:18,320
true like to promote size like there
1367
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:22,000
must be like a mask size movement to
1368
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:25,250
kachou paralyzer sizes but in the 1990s
1369
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:27,560
no and this thing is also have deep
1370
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:30,580
connection with the process of
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01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:33,200
collaboration during that process people
1372
01:11:30,580 --> 01:11:35,540
Chinese people can't you read them catch
1373
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:39,890
catch you opportunity to have them more
1374
01:11:35,540 --> 01:11:42,980
and more like popular culture popular
1375
01:11:39,890 --> 01:11:46,220
scientific culture readings translated
1376
01:11:42,980 --> 01:11:47,750
from English and other languages so for
1377
01:11:46,220 --> 01:11:53,750
example we have that eat we don't own
1378
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:56,240
shoes a person p push books so so people
1379
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:59,510
they read that kind of like scientifical
1380
01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:02,990
readings not just the full size itself
1381
01:11:59,510 --> 01:12:05,630
but us only of true for example to get
1382
01:12:02,990 --> 01:12:07,790
some words to talk about their current
1383
01:12:05,630 --> 01:12:10,490
situation as well as the future because
1384
01:12:07,790 --> 01:12:12,070
it's just so close to the meaning year
1385
01:12:10,490 --> 01:12:14,720
and the Chinese people are also very
1386
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:18,770
undesired anxious about what will happen
1387
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:21,830
in the next century so at a time there
1388
01:12:18,770 --> 01:12:25,370
so many the so-called scientific
1389
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:28,100
readings became super popular and so
1390
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:32,270
science fiction were accustomed just one
1391
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:36,290
part of this big culture map of these
1392
01:12:32,270 --> 01:12:40,100
popular science readings yeah and also
1393
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:42,470
we can just the end of the game and
1394
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:45,830
there are those of different chance to
1395
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:49,070
to to discuss about this very
1396
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:53,360
complicated actually it's like a net of
1397
01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:55,400
like cultures in the 1990s yeah and also
1398
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:59,000
I think the media is very important that
1399
01:12:55,400 --> 01:13:01,640
because imagine itís the the Sun like a
1400
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:04,400
common media for the mass culture just
1401
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,630
became true Ferrari rapidly for example
1402
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,270
the TV
1403
01:13:05,630 --> 01:13:11,390
suddenly the mailings and millions
1404
01:13:08,270 --> 01:13:13,820
people in China became true to watch TV
1405
01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:15,860
and the magazine is another same that's
1406
01:13:13,820 --> 01:13:18,380
as I mentioned and such that you were
1407
01:13:15,860 --> 01:13:20,660
used to casts a pig of their spheres as
1408
01:13:18,380 --> 01:13:22,790
like a four hundred thousand and then
1409
01:13:20,660 --> 01:13:25,040
they just became to decline because a
1410
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:27,170
magazine market itself became true
1411
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:30,080
decline young people just stopped
1412
01:13:27,170 --> 01:13:32,030
reading magazines so I think that in the
1413
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:36,130
nineteen
1414
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:39,020
exactly maybe 1997 that's another
1415
01:13:36,130 --> 01:13:43,550
interesting things that's like there's a
1416
01:13:39,020 --> 01:13:47,449
TV program shown in the in the titty a
1417
01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:50,989
CCTV maybe I can't remember which I know
1418
01:13:47,449 --> 01:13:54,170
it is but apparently so partly like
1419
01:13:50,989 --> 01:13:56,449
efficient no of official program talking
1420
01:13:54,170 --> 01:14:00,800
about like ie the readings for the use
1421
01:13:56,449 --> 01:14:02,570
and that programs criticized some of the
1422
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:06,050
popular readings for example the
1423
01:14:02,570 --> 01:14:08,059
Japanese manga and I think because most
1424
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:16,219
of the Japanese manga is a tomato burn
1425
01:14:08,059 --> 01:14:21,770
her paralyzed paralyzed yes so there's
1426
01:14:16,219 --> 01:14:25,989
many problems many poor bus about this
1427
01:14:21,770 --> 01:14:29,599
kind of manga including for example the
1428
01:14:25,989 --> 01:14:33,320
sexual elements and abhorrent elements
1429
01:14:29,599 --> 01:14:35,869
of the program that greatly criticized
1430
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:38,750
this kind of table waiting and at the
1431
01:14:35,869 --> 01:14:41,389
same time it gives some good words true
1432
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:45,199
other good readings including science
1433
01:14:41,389 --> 01:14:48,800
fiction world so if this kind of program
1434
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:51,800
it's shown to be it cannot be that in
1435
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:56,809
fluid you free show us it's used to made
1436
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:59,989
in the middle 1990s so many the accident
1437
01:14:56,809 --> 01:15:03,070
accident accidental events happened in
1438
01:14:59,989 --> 01:15:06,860
that time and the caves has fiction some
1439
01:15:03,070 --> 01:15:12,860
opportunity to yeah became like some
1440
01:15:06,860 --> 01:15:15,139
like a culture phenomenon earlier in
1441
01:15:12,860 --> 01:15:18,050
your talk you mentioned george RR martin
1442
01:15:15,139 --> 01:15:21,559
you Mary Bradbury is one of your early
1443
01:15:18,050 --> 01:15:23,780
idols and of course that goes
1444
01:15:21,559 --> 01:15:25,429
you also mentioned how all of the
1445
01:15:23,780 --> 01:15:27,679
Masters of science fiction of the West
1446
01:15:25,429 --> 01:15:31,760
are these old white men right Isaac
1447
01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:34,489
Asimov right right that then and so I'm
1448
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,659
wondering you have a very different
1449
01:15:34,489 --> 01:15:42,409
background right you're from China
1450
01:15:35,659 --> 01:15:44,090
you're a woman you studied science the
1451
01:15:42,409 --> 01:15:45,830
fact that you have a bachelor's degree
1452
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:47,570
in atmospheric sciences
1453
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:50,270
and so you actually understand the
1454
01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:51,980
science behind this foundation how does
1455
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:53,950
that can you talk about the importance
1456
01:15:51,980 --> 01:15:56,480
of providing that alternative
1457
01:15:53,950 --> 01:15:58,250
perspective and especially your training
1458
01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:00,580
in the sciences and how that informs
1459
01:15:58,250 --> 01:16:02,720
your fiction and maybe brings a
1460
01:16:00,580 --> 01:16:05,120
additional layer of realism to your
1461
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,770
writing but I love this here to talk
1462
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,620
about your own identity and how it's so
1463
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:11,840
different from what has dominated most
1464
01:16:09,620 --> 01:16:13,880
science fiction writers and where you
1465
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:17,920
situate yourself in that history and
1466
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:22,070
dialogue I think in the very beginning
1467
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:24,080
in the very early cured of my seismic
1468
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:26,170
writing I still don't think about this
1469
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:29,930
kind of issue and sometimes I even
1470
01:16:26,170 --> 01:16:31,640
rejected it to be to be called as like a
1471
01:16:29,930 --> 01:16:33,800
[ __ ] up of female size to be writer
1472
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:36,890
because when you talk about his famous I
1473
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:39,530
felt like it's the generation like a
1474
01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:44,570
specialized the female is a very special
1475
01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:47,720
kind category of seismic writers and
1476
01:16:44,570 --> 01:16:52,670
then I think a very important just to be
1477
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:55,370
happened after I began to began to do my
1478
01:16:52,670 --> 01:16:58,490
PhD program under the supervised
1479
01:16:55,370 --> 01:17:02,960
supervision of Professor because she
1480
01:16:58,490 --> 01:17:06,380
actually really influenced me in many
1481
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:08,060
many ways cuz for her you mean--you it
1482
01:17:06,380 --> 01:17:11,180
even heard of the hurt her saying that
1483
01:17:08,060 --> 01:17:16,820
like like I forget about the seeking for
1484
01:17:11,180 --> 01:17:19,070
alternatives to listening to the sounds
1485
01:17:16,820 --> 01:17:23,900
the echoes of the ghost of those
1486
01:17:19,070 --> 01:17:26,390
patchers and - yeah - to think about
1487
01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:29,180
what else this kind of thing so that's
1488
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:31,400
so I think the the most important lesson
1489
01:17:29,180 --> 01:17:36,070
is not from my scientific lesson but
1490
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:41,000
actually really from my humanities
1491
01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:44,060
training especially from this was not
1492
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:47,330
only my mind my supervisor the whole
1493
01:17:44,060 --> 01:17:52,190
time and my fellow students they shared
1494
01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:56,290
us the similar way of think about this
1495
01:17:52,190 --> 01:17:59,829
word and its history and another future
1496
01:17:56,290 --> 01:18:03,849
so I think it's very important too
1497
01:17:59,829 --> 01:18:08,679
to have this consciousness to to seek
1498
01:18:03,849 --> 01:18:11,770
for the alternatives to - for example to
1499
01:18:08,679 --> 01:18:14,619
identify to raise the minority because
1500
01:18:11,770 --> 01:18:17,469
if you from a very common sense you you
1501
01:18:14,619 --> 01:18:19,719
think that most people say this kind of
1502
01:18:17,469 --> 01:18:22,719
variety is good so that that must be
1503
01:18:19,719 --> 01:18:24,929
good and if you heard of for example a
1504
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:28,270
writer or the piece of work from
1505
01:18:24,929 --> 01:18:30,820
non-english speaking country it's very
1506
01:18:28,270 --> 01:18:32,949
easy for you to consciously slay just
1507
01:18:30,820 --> 01:18:37,659
think that that's not important because
1508
01:18:32,949 --> 01:18:40,059
it's from a minority culture and it's
1509
01:18:37,659 --> 01:18:42,849
very easy to follow this kind of common
1510
01:18:40,059 --> 01:18:45,909
sense but if you have this consciousness
1511
01:18:42,849 --> 01:18:49,630
you have this sometimes it's like AHA to
1512
01:18:45,909 --> 01:18:54,040
see that's like a yeah just yeah
1513
01:18:49,630 --> 01:18:59,380
consciousness you will realize that the
1514
01:18:54,040 --> 01:19:02,020
importance of to revise this picture the
1515
01:18:59,380 --> 01:19:06,820
is also professor that you pass term
1516
01:19:02,020 --> 01:19:09,400
like a revised revised up after the map
1517
01:19:06,820 --> 01:19:14,139
of their world at the end our society -
1518
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:16,599
so he he he he studies a lot about the
1519
01:19:14,139 --> 01:19:20,050
third world countries in Latin America
1520
01:19:16,599 --> 01:19:22,869
and before I became true study with from
1521
01:19:20,050 --> 01:19:25,889
her those pure cars of the world for me
1522
01:19:22,869 --> 01:19:30,340
it's very strange very also very easy to
1523
01:19:25,889 --> 01:19:33,730
so as I talked before I began my PhD
1524
01:19:30,340 --> 01:19:36,190
study sometimes I just think that I got
1525
01:19:33,730 --> 01:19:40,829
stucked by some dilemma that I want to
1526
01:19:36,190 --> 01:19:44,320
refuse come some kind of like a dominant
1527
01:19:40,829 --> 01:19:46,449
narration because I just naturally feel
1528
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:49,300
uncomfortable with this kind of
1529
01:19:46,449 --> 01:19:51,849
narration but I don't know how to find a
1530
01:19:49,300 --> 01:19:54,130
way to escape from that because you see
1531
01:19:51,849 --> 01:19:56,679
that sometimes the more you struggle
1532
01:19:54,130 --> 01:20:01,469
with that kind of logic of this
1533
01:19:56,679 --> 01:20:06,460
narration you are consuming more just
1534
01:20:01,469 --> 01:20:11,199
just introducing just trapped in inside
1535
01:20:06,460 --> 01:20:12,699
this this very logic so the the problem
1536
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:13,639
is that you do not have alternative
1537
01:20:12,699 --> 01:20:16,940
vision
1538
01:20:13,639 --> 01:20:20,199
to see that the history and the world
1539
01:20:16,940 --> 01:20:23,239
itself is actually very complicated
1540
01:20:20,199 --> 01:20:25,520
others then the dominate narration of
1541
01:20:23,239 --> 01:20:28,159
the history the history is not just very
1542
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:29,929
easy story about lecture for example the
1543
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:32,570
the stronger always being the winner
1544
01:20:29,929 --> 01:20:35,659
takes all and the capitalism is not
1545
01:20:32,570 --> 01:20:37,940
always the single game he's at all there
1546
01:20:35,659 --> 01:20:40,909
used to be alternatives and not ran out
1547
01:20:37,940 --> 01:20:43,460
of steel alternatives the para is that
1548
01:20:40,909 --> 01:20:46,760
we have to find them and listen treason
1549
01:20:43,460 --> 01:20:51,500
under to think was the application of
1550
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:55,850
them can brought us so this is the the
1551
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:57,590
big twist of me and then I began to kind
1552
01:20:55,850 --> 01:21:00,199
of like a take advantage of my own
1553
01:20:57,590 --> 01:21:04,340
culture eternity as a Chinese young girl
1554
01:21:00,199 --> 01:21:07,250
because I do remember that the very
1555
01:21:04,340 --> 01:21:11,270
beginning of my writings this cost some
1556
01:21:07,250 --> 01:21:13,550
readers they attacked me of my writings
1557
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:17,540
this is absurd my policies fiction are
1558
01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:19,699
too soft because they expected very hard
1559
01:21:17,540 --> 01:21:23,000
hard core science fiction as loosing
1560
01:21:19,699 --> 01:21:26,659
stories so this sought me as like a very
1561
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:29,480
bad episode of real succinct writings so
1562
01:21:26,659 --> 01:21:32,810
the act me in a very actually very 30
1563
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:37,550
way some like a gender gender is
1564
01:21:32,810 --> 01:21:41,360
sergeant and which used to made me a bit
1565
01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:43,010
like a shame of my own identity why I'm
1566
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:46,159
not a man
1567
01:21:43,010 --> 01:21:49,489
why I'm not a middle-aged engineer who
1568
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:53,119
can very naturally use loses his mother
1569
01:21:49,489 --> 01:21:55,790
I story cuz I actually to be honest I
1570
01:21:53,119 --> 01:21:58,010
try to chew mimic doses he's right
1571
01:21:55,790 --> 01:22:00,530
historian to red star I think this is no
1572
01:21:58,010 --> 01:22:03,800
Karim I is demeanor his science and I
1573
01:22:00,530 --> 01:22:06,650
really know what her size words I can
1574
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:10,310
write some very nice things by alright
1575
01:22:06,650 --> 01:22:13,880
hard side side story and I can use this
1576
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:17,239
hardcore science scientists as my main
1577
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:19,520
capture who always care about the
1578
01:22:17,239 --> 01:22:22,250
humanity and who always have to make
1579
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:25,489
make make some very hardest decision to
1580
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:27,170
think about how should I for example
1581
01:22:25,489 --> 01:22:29,540
sacrifice
1582
01:22:27,170 --> 01:22:31,790
people truth make some other people
1583
01:22:29,540 --> 01:22:35,030
survive this kind of sorry I can do that
1584
01:22:31,790 --> 01:22:38,390
I know how it works but because I do not
1585
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:40,970
believe in that so but I tried to mimics
1586
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:44,240
us this kind of sliding I feel very
1587
01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:49,910
uncomfortable I feel this strongly a
1588
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:52,970
strong inner inflict so that's what I
1589
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:55,010
used to be faced a basis like a kind of
1590
01:22:52,970 --> 01:22:58,430
a problem
1591
01:22:55,010 --> 01:23:00,220
or like a dilemma but I think so I want
1592
01:22:58,430 --> 01:23:04,430
to say that after that chased after
1593
01:23:00,220 --> 01:23:07,310
lateralization us for example the
1594
01:23:04,430 --> 01:23:09,700
majority actually can be a minority
1595
01:23:07,310 --> 01:23:15,890
Minori actually can be a very good
1596
01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:18,860
vantage to fund another way of to see
1597
01:23:15,890 --> 01:23:21,860
the invisible wars which most of people
1598
01:23:18,860 --> 01:23:25,400
cannot see or they do not want to see so
1599
01:23:21,860 --> 01:23:28,430
I became too proud of my my Chinese
1600
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:31,630
young girls culture identity and I began
1601
01:23:28,430 --> 01:23:34,910
to actually elaborate this kind of
1602
01:23:31,630 --> 01:23:37,430
identity issues with my writing more and
1603
01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:39,050
more for example I began the etiquette
1604
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:43,130
I became true consciousness
1605
01:23:39,050 --> 01:23:46,460
consciousness me more you know
1606
01:23:43,130 --> 01:23:49,700
consciously use using for example female
1607
01:23:46,460 --> 01:23:52,660
captures and I tried to make these
1608
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:56,540
female characters more and more
1609
01:23:52,660 --> 01:23:59,240
complicated but still lovely they cannot
1610
01:23:56,540 --> 01:24:02,570
be just like a simple simple mind a
1611
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:05,720
beautiful girls they can be for example
1612
01:24:02,570 --> 01:24:09,140
it can be academic researchers they can
1613
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:12,020
be women's who didn't different kind of
1614
01:24:09,140 --> 01:24:14,740
works and azekah still be lovely in many
1615
01:24:12,020 --> 01:24:17,750
different ways they can be pretty and
1616
01:24:14,740 --> 01:24:20,090
but at the same time d they would not
1617
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:23,090
just lose their charming because because
1618
01:24:20,090 --> 01:24:28,700
of their brainy and because of because
1619
01:24:23,090 --> 01:24:33,080
of me i got to know so many of charming
1620
01:24:28,700 --> 01:24:35,660
brainy intellectual female in in
1621
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:37,940
different ages some of them are very
1622
01:24:35,660 --> 01:24:39,890
young and some of them old are still
1623
01:24:37,940 --> 01:24:41,150
very charming so I think as you
1624
01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:44,330
confident of
1625
01:24:41,150 --> 01:24:48,140
true writing this kind of captures and
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01:24:44,330 --> 01:24:49,850
it it can be a very good way to using
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01:24:48,140 --> 01:24:52,190
these kind of captures to tell
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01:24:49,850 --> 01:24:54,800
science-fiction stories so they will
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01:24:52,190 --> 01:24:56,719
talk about it like masters the best of
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01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,940
course most of them are white male but
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01:24:56,719 --> 01:25:00,949
they're still female masters for example
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01:24:58,940 --> 01:25:03,620
the Lagoo and she's also about my
1633
01:25:00,949 --> 01:25:07,760
favorite and as I began to read more and
1634
01:25:03,620 --> 01:25:12,050
more of her works I realized that her
1635
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:14,390
really brief achievement she did choose
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01:25:12,050 --> 01:25:17,630
a whole lot not just the science fiction
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01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:20,210
but of the whole nature reward the the
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01:25:17,630 --> 01:25:24,230
alternative visions should provide it
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01:25:20,210 --> 01:25:27,130
and I think maybe I can I can do some
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01:25:24,230 --> 01:25:29,920
similar work yeah this kind of say yeah
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01:25:27,130 --> 01:25:33,800
great I'm gonna ask one final question
1642
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:35,630
okay and actually I'll begin with the
1643
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,730
elephant in the room which is the fact
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01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:39,710
that we're not at UCLA in a conference
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01:25:37,730 --> 01:25:42,290
room giving a talk we're on these
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01:25:39,710 --> 01:25:44,870
computer screens because of we have this
1647
01:25:42,290 --> 01:25:47,630
global pandemic right now Kove at 19 and
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01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:49,610
in this context not only we all we're
1649
01:25:47,630 --> 01:25:51,890
all quarantined at home there's all
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01:25:49,610 --> 01:25:54,260
kinds of new national tensions between
1651
01:25:51,890 --> 01:25:59,150
countries and America we've got armed
1652
01:25:54,260 --> 01:26:01,340
militias storming government places of
1653
01:25:59,150 --> 01:26:03,260
government it's it's really become more
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01:26:01,340 --> 01:26:05,360
science fiction than science fiction in
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01:26:03,260 --> 01:26:07,159
many many ways and I'm wondering you as
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01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,620
a science fiction writer living amid a
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01:26:07,159 --> 01:26:11,659
time like this weather every day on the
1658
01:26:09,620 --> 01:26:13,969
news there's so much surreal things
1659
01:26:11,659 --> 01:26:16,730
happening what does that do to you
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01:26:13,969 --> 01:26:19,370
creatively in what ways does it hinder
1661
01:26:16,730 --> 01:26:22,449
your creativity or inspire you how do
1662
01:26:19,370 --> 01:26:25,699
you process that and what happens when
1663
01:26:22,449 --> 01:26:29,510
you face a world that's more fantastical
1664
01:26:25,699 --> 01:26:31,420
and science fiction than maybe even the
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01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:35,239
wildest short stories we could imagine
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01:26:31,420 --> 01:26:37,730
how do you forget that that's a very
1667
01:26:35,239 --> 01:26:39,230
tough question and a very good one I
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01:26:37,730 --> 01:26:41,780
think that's just a challenge to me but
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01:26:39,230 --> 01:26:44,840
you the psychic riders of all of the
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01:26:41,780 --> 01:26:47,230
world so one thing I wanna mention is
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01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:50,480
that I think it was eating the March
1672
01:26:47,230 --> 01:26:53,000
when I was began to currently at home I
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01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:54,530
was working on size different story and
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01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:57,410
that was that
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01:26:54,530 --> 01:27:01,130
should be submitted to our seismic
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01:26:57,410 --> 01:27:04,280
restore accommodation so which so which
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01:27:01,130 --> 01:27:06,500
means there was a deadline and I had to
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01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:10,850
submit a story by the end of the March I
1679
01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:14,510
think yeah and as much so so the story
1680
01:27:10,850 --> 01:27:16,460
the original idea about I saw the title
1681
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:19,550
of a fella story is like the marching
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01:27:16,460 --> 01:27:23,770
marching architect posing the intrusion
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01:27:19,550 --> 01:27:26,870
and the original story is that there's a
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01:27:23,770 --> 01:27:29,000
also either linear filter China is also
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01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:31,790
the part of the Chinese encyclopedia
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01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:35,870
series and I guess a group of people
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01:27:31,790 --> 01:27:38,200
they want to they want to build up a
1688
01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:42,890
tongue or a literal City as an
1689
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:46,700
experimental place for like alternative
1690
01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:49,610
alternative way of living so it's called
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01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:53,240
like a marching Tom and the idea is that
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01:27:49,610 --> 01:27:55,370
before we have the ability to really to
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01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:57,920
travel to the Mars and attribute of like
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01:27:55,370 --> 01:28:00,830
of exam a second human settlement on
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01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:05,240
Mars they needed to think about how can
1696
01:28:00,830 --> 01:28:07,610
we do better or basically for example
1697
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:11,140
more environment friendly way of living
1698
01:28:07,610 --> 01:28:14,180
instead of just a simple repeat our
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01:28:11,140 --> 01:28:16,910
civilization to other planets and that
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01:28:14,180 --> 01:28:20,060
can be a disaster not only to the earth
1701
01:28:16,910 --> 01:28:21,920
but also to the universe so that's a
1702
01:28:20,060 --> 01:28:27,230
basic idea of this mass huh
1703
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:30,050
so so there is a karma as well and anak
1704
01:28:27,230 --> 01:28:33,470
began to spread in the US and how to
1705
01:28:30,050 --> 01:28:38,120
sing about more about how can my curse a
1706
01:28:33,470 --> 01:28:40,340
story can harden in his summary the
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01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:43,010
response to the kind of situation I
1708
01:28:40,340 --> 01:28:46,490
began to talk I began to try to involve
1709
01:28:43,010 --> 01:28:49,610
this discussion about for example how
1710
01:28:46,490 --> 01:28:54,620
this kind of coaching redefine the
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01:28:49,610 --> 01:29:01,260
individual connections and what can we
1712
01:28:54,620 --> 01:29:02,970
think of for example this dilemma of
1713
01:29:01,260 --> 01:29:05,910
the dilmer ask a girl first about the
1714
01:29:02,970 --> 01:29:08,130
trolley problem cuz he says sure that's
1715
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:10,739
many this kind of discussion about how
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01:29:08,130 --> 01:29:13,500
three sacrifices they tell the little
1717
01:29:10,739 --> 01:29:15,690
group of people or the or to sacrifice
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01:29:13,500 --> 01:29:17,930
more people and we have examples of
1719
01:29:15,690 --> 01:29:21,450
equations which are very classic
1720
01:29:17,930 --> 01:29:24,900
classical sized picture stories in 1950s
1721
01:29:21,450 --> 01:29:27,690
and influenced not only the English
1722
01:29:24,900 --> 01:29:29,850
style fictional stories and also for
1723
01:29:27,690 --> 01:29:33,060
sample uses sinkage big influenced by
1724
01:29:29,850 --> 01:29:35,940
the story so in my story I began to
1725
01:29:33,060 --> 01:29:39,960
chart to discuss to reduce cus this kind
1726
01:29:35,940 --> 01:29:43,380
of question is a consideration and my my
1727
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:47,820
idea is that this actually is not a real
1728
01:29:43,380 --> 01:29:50,610
question via face such as we actually we
1729
01:29:47,820 --> 01:29:53,610
up we are sharing the breath of each
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01:29:50,610 --> 01:29:58,800
other so we can never think about that
1731
01:29:53,610 --> 01:30:03,630
we can really very ideally true to fix
1732
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:04,200
about you should separate the self under
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01:30:03,630 --> 01:30:07,680
the other
1734
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:10,710
the others and to think of things things
1735
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:12,630
that we care happily sacrifice others
1736
01:30:10,710 --> 01:30:14,070
actually they are not a minority
1737
01:30:12,630 --> 01:30:15,660
they're just others because they are
1738
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:17,940
others so we think they are not as
1739
01:30:15,660 --> 01:30:21,180
important as us so we think they are
1740
01:30:17,940 --> 01:30:22,140
secure festival but the truth is not
1741
01:30:21,180 --> 01:30:25,470
like that
1742
01:30:22,140 --> 01:30:29,370
if the so in my story this a crashing
1743
01:30:25,470 --> 01:30:31,830
that if for example there's a boat with
1744
01:30:29,370 --> 01:30:34,680
some people who got influenced by a
1745
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:37,830
virus in the boat and the boat asked for
1746
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:41,370
example to approach the harbor shoot at
1747
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:43,530
the the the people live in the Hobart
1748
01:30:41,370 --> 01:30:46,920
Hong decide whether or not they should
1749
01:30:43,530 --> 01:30:48,870
accept that boat so which this kind of
1750
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:51,180
discussion happened or not theories
1751
01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:54,410
process not just about for example a
1752
01:30:51,180 --> 01:30:59,010
real boat but also should we accept the
1753
01:30:54,410 --> 01:31:02,489
immigrants which travel everywhere and
1754
01:30:59,010 --> 01:31:06,239
how can we how has to be should we help
1755
01:31:02,489 --> 01:31:09,870
the people who are really in the need of
1756
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:12,840
the help so many people say that we
1757
01:31:09,870 --> 01:31:14,660
should a circus because the situation is
1758
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:18,140
so cruel
1759
01:31:14,660 --> 01:31:22,220
we have to calculate the outcomes and
1760
01:31:18,140 --> 01:31:24,530
the and is like a sacrifice of every
1761
01:31:22,220 --> 01:31:26,960
decision and sometimes we have to make
1762
01:31:24,530 --> 01:31:29,150
some very Cody's decision to sacrifice
1763
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:31,670
this kind of people and the you have
1764
01:31:29,150 --> 01:31:34,790
found that we you make this design of
1765
01:31:31,670 --> 01:31:38,420
sacrifice some kind of people thus the
1766
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:42,470
outcome can be even more horrible and
1767
01:31:38,420 --> 01:31:45,920
finally they were finally just got very
1768
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:48,400
bad influence to the people who imagined
1769
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:50,780
they are just hidden in very safe place
1770
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,630
so it's a bit complicated but I think
1771
01:31:50,780 --> 01:31:55,910
this kind of question should be
1772
01:31:52,630 --> 01:31:58,310
discussed in a new way
1773
01:31:55,910 --> 01:32:01,250
insightful stories because many science
1774
01:31:58,310 --> 01:32:03,380
fiction readers see maybe because they
1775
01:32:01,250 --> 01:32:06,550
got influenced by the the coding
1776
01:32:03,380 --> 01:32:09,170
equation stories this subset is a locker
1777
01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:12,260
for some many readers of the three-body
1778
01:32:09,170 --> 01:32:15,530
problem they think that the the dark
1779
01:32:12,260 --> 01:32:19,190
universe drew is like a natural rule
1780
01:32:15,530 --> 01:32:21,950
it's not not like a human created rule
1781
01:32:19,190 --> 01:32:24,130
so when the user is a natural which
1782
01:32:21,950 --> 01:32:28,520
which means you cannot change the truth
1783
01:32:24,130 --> 01:32:31,510
but I think the purpose at academic just
1784
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:35,540
a challenge to so many many of this
1785
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:38,480
apparel single a natural rules then they
1786
01:32:35,540 --> 01:32:41,600
think about so many issues and we we
1787
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:44,690
have to realize the fiction ality of
1788
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:47,720
this all of these jews and we have to
1789
01:32:44,690 --> 01:32:52,640
she's back shoes of examples of
1790
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:55,520
historical Jews of this kind of juice or
1791
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:57,680
the the comma says there's too many
1792
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:59,480
Commerce's exist that uses fiction even
1793
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:02,810
those a section have this promise to
1794
01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:06,080
break through the common sense so as if
1795
01:33:02,810 --> 01:33:09,470
the permit the real challenge is is that
1796
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:12,710
I myself have stopped feeling that today
1797
01:33:09,470 --> 01:33:15,860
man I for example read a story about for
1798
01:33:12,710 --> 01:33:20,300
example the singularity is coming the
1799
01:33:15,860 --> 01:33:23,990
very strong AI I feel I began to feel
1800
01:33:20,300 --> 01:33:27,560
this kind of leadership became true lose
1801
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:29,870
the power to persuade me he
1802
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:33,950
I know that the future will not be like
1803
01:33:29,870 --> 01:33:37,250
this even though just a few years ago we
1804
01:33:33,950 --> 01:33:40,730
saw such this trust will be very true to
1805
01:33:37,250 --> 01:33:44,120
took to come and then V now we see we
1806
01:33:40,730 --> 01:33:48,050
can see the Sun like the black hole the
1807
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:50,600
orderly visible yes you with about black
1808
01:33:48,050 --> 01:33:53,930
hole existing this kind of narration
1809
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:57,710
which does not destroy the whole map of
1810
01:33:53,930 --> 01:34:01,580
this narration so I think that it's a
1811
01:33:57,710 --> 01:34:04,340
time to call for some new of writing
1812
01:34:01,580 --> 01:34:07,750
science fiction not follow ha with all
1813
01:34:04,340 --> 01:34:13,610
of this civilization narration because I
1814
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:17,840
I've read so many old conventions from
1815
01:34:13,610 --> 01:34:19,510
for example 1988 e-40 stop here or the
1816
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:22,670
like the matrix
1817
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:27,440
stories like the super powerful AI
1818
01:34:22,670 --> 01:34:32,260
control the human being and it's very
1819
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:35,600
easy to for the readers to criticize the
1820
01:34:32,260 --> 01:34:37,400
imagined anime for example the AI or the
1821
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:39,350
company who created the AI or the for
1822
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:42,560
example the government but the problem
1823
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:45,050
is not of course you can this is very
1824
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:46,970
easy to criticize this sorry chief
1825
01:34:45,050 --> 01:34:49,070
because they are there they looks like
1826
01:34:46,970 --> 01:34:51,470
they they need to take responsibility
1827
01:34:49,070 --> 01:34:53,900
and sometimes in real how to take the
1828
01:34:51,470 --> 01:34:55,640
responsibility but on the other side of
1829
01:34:53,900 --> 01:34:59,720
story is they have just thinking more
1830
01:34:55,640 --> 01:35:02,150
about ourself as other people or as like
1831
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:06,800
a community or group of people how can
1832
01:35:02,150 --> 01:35:10,370
we take responsibility to chu'lak to
1833
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:14,600
improve the better future so this this
1834
01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:18,950
is not I think it's not for exploring in
1835
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:21,020
many science fiction stories I can't say
1836
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:24,740
in real so I think that that's a very
1837
01:35:21,020 --> 01:35:28,700
good way to channel Rodman writers to
1838
01:35:24,740 --> 01:35:31,460
explore the new ways yeah also also for
1839
01:35:28,700 --> 01:35:35,630
me it's also a very good challenge I
1840
01:35:31,460 --> 01:35:38,480
also I already a band-aid a couple of
1841
01:35:35,630 --> 01:35:41,130
like ideas I have the plan to develop
1842
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:43,380
for this series under than
1843
01:35:41,130 --> 01:35:47,370
they are not actually very good ideas
1844
01:35:43,380 --> 01:35:50,820
and I need to think at least to develop
1845
01:35:47,370 --> 01:35:55,580
this ideas of maybe a people a small
1846
01:35:50,820 --> 01:36:00,080
staff furthermore to explore the
1847
01:35:55,580 --> 01:36:04,800
discussions maybe not discussed by the
1848
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:06,600
the the other writers so I think that's
1849
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:08,220
important for all and all of the sites
1850
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:11,750
we derived writings process features
1851
01:36:08,220 --> 01:36:15,810
also always seek for news with the norm
1852
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:19,290
yeah so so good luck for all for the
1853
01:36:15,810 --> 01:36:22,170
writers and also for me yeah well thank
1854
01:36:19,290 --> 01:36:24,840
you so much professor Wong aka Shahji
1855
01:36:22,170 --> 01:36:27,570
for sharing your wonderful insights and
1856
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:30,450
Chinese science fiction we wish you all
1857
01:36:27,570 --> 01:36:32,700
the best and again for our viewers out
1858
01:36:30,450 --> 01:36:34,470
there you can find a lot of Professor
1859
01:36:32,700 --> 01:36:36,270
Wong's books on Amazon the Chinese ones
1860
01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:36,990
and the English version of a summer
1861
01:36:36,270 --> 01:36:39,870
beyond your reach
1862
01:36:36,990 --> 01:36:43,230
ebook available and print book coming
1863
01:36:39,870 --> 01:36:45,180
soon so I encourage everybody to explore
1864
01:36:43,230 --> 01:36:47,100
her wonderful fictional universe that's
1865
01:36:45,180 --> 01:36:49,910
out there waiting for you so thanks
1866
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:49,910
again plus I'm long